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talk about the fiscal cliff and politicians talk about the fiscal cliff. we're wondering whether mom and pops at home talk about the fiscal cliff. is a lack of a budget deal actually spooking shoppers out on main street? >> it is. walmart told us 75% of their customers have cite that had they are worried about the fiscal cliff. mandy, you and i were on last week talking about the luxury retailers and we called out saks saying business pre-holiday was particularly weak. what are the people in the stores telling me all week, saying that this is the worst pre-christmas they had seen in over a decade, and part of that was because their consumers are worried about the fiscal cliff, so note to the government. it does matter. >> yeah, but that's, as you say, part of it. laura, what else is going on? it just felt like we were going into a lackluster season here. what happened? >> i mean, there's been some discussion about weather trends as well, but whether or not we go over the fiscal cliff, consumers think next year we'll see higher taxes and lower entitlements.
talk about the fiscal cliff and politicians talk about the fiscal cliff. we're wondering whether mom and pops at home talk about the fiscal cliff. is a lack of a budget deal actually spooking shoppers out on main street? >> it is. walmart told us 75% of their customers have cite that had they are worried about the fiscal cliff. mandy, you and i were on last week talking about the luxury retailers and we called out saks saying business pre-holiday was particularly weak. what are the people...
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the result of the fiscal cliff here is not risk off. it's risk protation into those areas of the investable landscape. look at emerging markets, lock at europe. they are decoupling. if anything, price is still very bull ir. i would rather listen to price. >> why do you say it's still very bullish? >> they recovered almost completely the loss which means the markets thinks tax puts will still be in play. the market is saying it's okay, you know, we've had an increase in market cap this year in the s&p 500 over $1 trillion. >> right. >> that's more than the cliff. >> let me go to my facebook friend michael carr. you speak washington ese. the house is convening. the president is -- >> doesn't it just make you sick? >> the were inthing you want to watch is eachon javers. i thought it was a perfect graphic. it's fabulous. you can't make it up. >> what do you do when you don't know what's going to happen, and you really don't. if you can get the debt limit thing right and guess how it's going to turn out or guess that it's actually going to d
the result of the fiscal cliff here is not risk off. it's risk protation into those areas of the investable landscape. look at emerging markets, lock at europe. they are decoupling. if anything, price is still very bull ir. i would rather listen to price. >> why do you say it's still very bullish? >> they recovered almost completely the loss which means the markets thinks tax puts will still be in play. the market is saying it's okay, you know, we've had an increase in market cap...
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>> right now, if we did the full fiscal cliff, the full fiscal cliff monty, perhaps is the best way it put it, we get rid of more growth in the economy than in all of 2011. it would be a negative number, essentially, mandy. like 4.2% of gdp. we grew up 4% of 2011. a negative number. take away from that all things being equal. depending on what the private sector did. a negative for the economy. every dollar they don't do on the fiscal cliff, that's a dollar that does not come out of the economy. but i think it is probably reason to consider. talking about what brian was talking about at the top of the show here. 1%, maybe 1.5% drag on growth of anything decided from the fiscal cliff anyway. >> and it depends on what you buy. i hear what you're saying with, steve and it is important to dive in. when you get a dollar you probably spend more than the dollar, right? they have shown that. that is the greatest multiplier. let's be clear on what that is on. necessities, food, clothing, which is needed. and on taxes, and there is not a lot of sympathy, but if you are a boat maker, high-end hom
>> right now, if we did the full fiscal cliff, the full fiscal cliff monty, perhaps is the best way it put it, we get rid of more growth in the economy than in all of 2011. it would be a negative number, essentially, mandy. like 4.2% of gdp. we grew up 4% of 2011. a negative number. take away from that all things being equal. depending on what the private sector did. a negative for the economy. every dollar they don't do on the fiscal cliff, that's a dollar that does not come out of the...
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we're going over the fiscal cliff but shortly there after, gold is going. long term i want gold but short term not so much. >> now you know what these guys think. what about you? if we do go over the cliff, would gold go higher or lower. tell us. sean egan tells us if going over the cliff would mean a slash in the credit rating and ralph acampora, two shows, 1:00 p.m. >> we'll catch you at the top of the hour. give me a target for gold next year. it's at $1660. are we going substantially higher or towards 15? are not and gold and silver has had every reason to move higher in the fourth quarter in 2012. it has not. i think the love affair hedge funds have had with gold is over and view 2013 is the year gold will finally under-perform. >>> coming up, delta's flight status, can it continue its flying stock market run into the new year, one stock, two opinions. we debate it. >>> home prices on track positive for the first time since 2006. which real estate stocks are traders banking on now? >>> japanese stocks trading on highs as the market plunges. ♪ [ cows
we're going over the fiscal cliff but shortly there after, gold is going. long term i want gold but short term not so much. >> now you know what these guys think. what about you? if we do go over the cliff, would gold go higher or lower. tell us. sean egan tells us if going over the cliff would mean a slash in the credit rating and ralph acampora, two shows, 1:00 p.m. >> we'll catch you at the top of the hour. give me a target for gold next year. it's at $1660. are we going...
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only four hours to go until america goes over the fiscal cliff. the dow jones industrial average down 113 points. had been down 148 points. look at that as we come on the air back above 13,000 level, not by much. the nasdaq, the biggest decline. 33 points. below 3,000 now at 2957. actually, hasn't been below 3,000 before that. s&p lower by 14 points. a decline of 1%. 1405 so holding onto the 1400 level. president obama is back at the white house. all eyes are on senate lawmakers now. amam jabbers is in washington. >> reporter: president obama did cut his vacation short in hawaii. he has arrived back at the white house this morning. the president emerging from marine one. what he's going to work on here in washington is pretty much anybody's guess at this point. the senate came back into session this morning and senate majority leader harry reid took to the senate floor to explain that he thought a $250,000 and above extension of the tax -- bush tax cuts could, in fact, pass and he was extremely, extremely angry in ways that you really hear on the
only four hours to go until america goes over the fiscal cliff. the dow jones industrial average down 113 points. had been down 148 points. look at that as we come on the air back above 13,000 level, not by much. the nasdaq, the biggest decline. 33 points. below 3,000 now at 2957. actually, hasn't been below 3,000 before that. s&p lower by 14 points. a decline of 1%. 1405 so holding onto the 1400 level. president obama is back at the white house. all eyes are on senate lawmakers now. amam...
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the fiscal cliff. yes, people know what the fiscal cliff is outside of this arena. and the third is unseasonably warm weather. >> what about newtown? did that -- >> hard for us -- it had to have. i mean -- that's not something that we can monitor but common sense indicates -- retailers are saying that oh, my god, it did impact us. why not? and that wasp just in the northeast. that was across america. >> right. >> it was devastating. put them all together and it was challenge. >> i bet it made a lot of parents rethink material. >> absolutely. one would think. yes. >> now what? even if you see a pickup in sales afterwards everything has been discounted. this is not that good anymore. >> it is not as bad as you think. a lot of the discounts with retailers was planned. they planned it before they even went into the season. and it depends, too. now, the week after christmas -- >> my point is if -- the sweater full price before christmas, and now you del stay purchase and you buy it 75% off after christmas, it is a lower margin. >> yes. absolutely. but some of these retai
the fiscal cliff. yes, people know what the fiscal cliff is outside of this arena. and the third is unseasonably warm weather. >> what about newtown? did that -- >> hard for us -- it had to have. i mean -- that's not something that we can monitor but common sense indicates -- retailers are saying that oh, my god, it did impact us. why not? and that wasp just in the northeast. that was across america. >> right. >> it was devastating. put them all together and it was...
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as we said, we are about to go over the fiscal cliff. if a deal is not reached to avoid the fiscal cli by january 2nd, automatic domestic and military spending cuts will kick in and the pentagon will be forced to cut $9 million in spending. >> if lawmakers can't avoid the fiscal cliff, they may be able to avoid a different cliff, the dairy cliff. house and senate members appear likely to extend farm legislation for a year, a deal that would keep milk prices skyrocketing in january. we were worried about $6 gallon of milk. it could keep a decades old subsidy from coming back to life. the usda would be forced to buy milk at prices well above what farmers were getting now if the subsidy was revived. it could double the price of moib to $6.12 a gallon. >> markets have been reacting to each move on capitol hill, but obviously, things at this point are looking like the dow would open down by about 7.5 points. the dow is off 67 points and the nasdaq is down 14.75 points. all the surprised given the late hour that -- >> even if something doesn't
as we said, we are about to go over the fiscal cliff. if a deal is not reached to avoid the fiscal cli by january 2nd, automatic domestic and military spending cuts will kick in and the pentagon will be forced to cut $9 million in spending. >> if lawmakers can't avoid the fiscal cliff, they may be able to avoid a different cliff, the dairy cliff. house and senate members appear likely to extend farm legislation for a year, a deal that would keep milk prices skyrocketing in january. we...
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the fiscal cliff. >>> the dow erases a 150 point decline on news that the house will be back in session on sunday evening. and time is rubbing out to avoid a strike at 14 major east coast ports. a work stoppage to cost the economy $1 billion a day. it's friday, december 28th, 2012. and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning and welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. and it does feel like we're living a bit on the edge of the fiscal cliff, at least. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen and becky quick is off today. our guest host this hour, ed kehone. he's the management associate portfolio manager and we are thrilled to have ed aboard for -- i think you'll be here for longer than an hour. you'll be here for the whole broadcast. >> as long as you need me. >> you're like -- how long were you at -- you were at prudential. >> it's owned by prudential, so i've been at peru don'tal for almost 15 years now. >> widely quoted. you know who has made a comeback is ralph -- >> akampora. >> i've see
the fiscal cliff. >>> the dow erases a 150 point decline on news that the house will be back in session on sunday evening. and time is rubbing out to avoid a strike at 14 major east coast ports. a work stoppage to cost the economy $1 billion a day. it's friday, december 28th, 2012. and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning and welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. and it does feel like we're living a bit on the edge of the fiscal cliff, at least....
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goes over the fiscal cliff. speaker john boehner has called the house back into session sunday evening. house majority leader eric cantor is telling his members to be prepared to work through january 2nd. both sides are still far apart on taxes and spending cuts. harry reid says prospect deals by monday are unlikely. minority leader mitch mcconnell says there's still time for an agreement. >> republicans aren't likely to sign a blank check just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. that wouldn't be fair to the american people. >> now, a new reuters poll shows americans blame republicans more than democrats or president obama for the fiscal crisis. and when asked who they held more response, 27% said the gop, 6% pointed to the dems and 30% said all of the above. for more on this, we're joined by christian schultz from barronberg bank. welcome. so we're going over the fiscal cliff. >> well, the consumer confidenc already be over the cliff in terms of confidence already. that might already be the firs
goes over the fiscal cliff. speaker john boehner has called the house back into session sunday evening. house majority leader eric cantor is telling his members to be prepared to work through january 2nd. both sides are still far apart on taxes and spending cuts. harry reid says prospect deals by monday are unlikely. minority leader mitch mcconnell says there's still time for an agreement. >> republicans aren't likely to sign a blank check just because we find ourselves at the edge of the...
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that is the same day that we would go over the fiscal cliff. now the treasury has certain steps they can take to avoid breaching the debt ceiling that will carry the government through february or march, but at the moment in a technical sense treasury secretary geithner is telling the congress we're hitting the debt ceiling at the end of this year which is the part of the, as i mentioned, part of an effort to get congress to step in and act, not only on the fiscal cliff but on the debt ceiling, bill. >> thanks very much for the breaking news. we'll keep monitoring the situation. thanks, john harwood. a look now at financial sector and whether or not you should put your money in the banks. >> 12 months ago there was a lot of buzz about the regionals, but now it's the big banks that have done really, really well. we have the president and ceo at bell rock capital and jeffrey hart. welcome back. >> cassandra, how did we get that wrong, those saying was not a good environment for about the banks, 2012, low interest rates, you know, the low loan dem
that is the same day that we would go over the fiscal cliff. now the treasury has certain steps they can take to avoid breaching the debt ceiling that will carry the government through february or march, but at the moment in a technical sense treasury secretary geithner is telling the congress we're hitting the debt ceiling at the end of this year which is the part of the, as i mentioned, part of an effort to get congress to step in and act, not only on the fiscal cliff but on the debt ceiling,...
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. >>> there is a full cornucopia of cliffs on this fiscal friday. the president plans to pop another tax proposal on congress, but will it pass? the clack is ticking. latest ahead. >>> so what would a cliff jump really mean for american business? you will hear directly as we reconvene our exclusive small biz all-star panel. >>> plus, call it the retail hu "hunger games." three companies that may not survive. >>> predictions 2013. big calls for the new year, mandy. >>> bring it on. the s&p 500 is on track for a fifth straight decline. some of the hope does seem to be coming out of the market of late for a deal. of course, there could still be time. nonetheless, what we have seen is a drop of 1.3% so far this week. indead, the s&p's longest losing streak in three months. even the good news on home sales. not helping the three major averages which are on pace for their biggest weekly drop in six weeks. keep in mind, many investors are still away for the holiday shortened week. volume is light. that does tend to exacerbate market swings. let's get down
. >>> there is a full cornucopia of cliffs on this fiscal friday. the president plans to pop another tax proposal on congress, but will it pass? the clack is ticking. latest ahead. >>> so what would a cliff jump really mean for american business? you will hear directly as we reconvene our exclusive small biz all-star panel. >>> plus, call it the retail hu "hunger games." three companies that may not survive. >>> predictions 2013. big calls for the...
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dairy farmers and wynn farms facing their own fiscal cliffs in addition to the actual fiscal cliff. whatever cliff are you worried about? tweet us at "squawk on the street." we'll have your responses next. . time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. [ male announcer ] th
dairy farmers and wynn farms facing their own fiscal cliffs in addition to the actual fiscal cliff. whatever cliff are you worried about? tweet us at "squawk on the street." we'll have your responses next. . time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your...
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is set to go over the fiscal cliff in five days. that means taxes will go up for nearly every american. dramatic spending cuts will kick in. president obama and congress will be back from vacation tomorrow. but will anything get done? >>> plus, wild winter weather sweeping through the country. we'll bring you the latest details on which part of the u.s. could be hit next. cnbc's "worldwide exchange" starts now. >>> and welcome to a special edition of reside worldwide. ross andcle reoff today for boxes day in -- kelly are off today for boxing day. for now, you is us. >> we'll start with a brief check on the markets. energy and metals are trading higher now, wtis up about 55 cents. brent crude up 65 cents. also want to check in on the gold price, as well. gold right now down about slightly under the flat line there, 1,-658. well below the 1,700 mark. the cme globex has been closed for christmas. it's going to reopen at 6:00 a.m. eastern time. that goes for treasuries and the foreign exchange market, as well. >> as for action in the ov
is set to go over the fiscal cliff in five days. that means taxes will go up for nearly every american. dramatic spending cuts will kick in. president obama and congress will be back from vacation tomorrow. but will anything get done? >>> plus, wild winter weather sweeping through the country. we'll bring you the latest details on which part of the u.s. could be hit next. cnbc's "worldwide exchange" starts now. >>> and welcome to a special edition of reside...
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in the meantime, we'll look at the impact the fiscal cliff has on individual states. montana unlike many, may be facing a double whammy. not only are rising taxes a threat on households, but federal aid for things like acculture could compound the problems if we go over the cliff. >> indeed, joining us to spell out the details is montana governor schweitzer. great to have you with us. we heard from a farmer in your state. he laid out the wation and it didn't sound good at all. what do you see as the impact on your state from that? >> don't tax me. tax the guy behind the tree. that's what we're faced with. everybody wants to pay lower taxes and get more services if you're in defense, you say, we need the money. if you're in agriculture, you see we need subsidized crop insurance. where does it end? in montana, we've had eight years of -- they're not willing to do that in washington, d.c. they just kick the can down the road. >> what does it mean in terms of federal aid or reduction in federal aid if we go over the fiscal cliff and even if we don't go over the cliff, and
in the meantime, we'll look at the impact the fiscal cliff has on individual states. montana unlike many, may be facing a double whammy. not only are rising taxes a threat on households, but federal aid for things like acculture could compound the problems if we go over the cliff. >> indeed, joining us to spell out the details is montana governor schweitzer. great to have you with us. we heard from a farmer in your state. he laid out the wation and it didn't sound good at all. what do you...
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everyone assumes the fiscal cliff negotiations are done for the moment. suppose the newfound bears conventional wisdom is wrong. suppose if we don't go over the fiscal cliff or at the very least we get resolved with minimum destruction as i talked about at the top of the show. my super bowl see you in new orleans solution. i'm not saying this will happen. i'm saying this positive scenario is very much on the table. it has to be considered. and in that rosy okay things are all right scenario, good things could happen to our stock market in 2013. let's say you're an optimist that believes the fiscal cliff will be resolved and they rise above. what's the best way to play a fabulous bull market that some think could be unleashed? simple. assuming that everything goes right, the best proxy for the market in 2013 is the blackstone group. the big publicly traded asset firm. why blackstone? a company that i wasn't keen on. the company earns money investing other people's money. private equity funds. at the moment the company has $205 billion in assets under manag
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the fiscal cliff is scary and should be scary. another recession. higher unemployment. economic slowdown. tax money taken out of the economy. those are major concerns. we're going to have to react as a business and it could result in cutbacks. the fiscal cliff was meant to be something that nobody wanted to go anywhere near, and here we are about to go off it. we really need our elected officials to figure this out. come up with a reasonable compromise that keeps our economy growing and gives us some certain about the future so we can make our plans as business leaders. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. >>> fiscal cliff fears pushing stocks lower but we're well off those lows right now and news that the house
the fiscal cliff is scary and should be scary. another recession. higher unemployment. economic slowdown. tax money taken out of the economy. those are major concerns. we're going to have to react as a business and it could result in cutbacks. the fiscal cliff was meant to be something that nobody wanted to go anywhere near, and here we are about to go off it. we really need our elected officials to figure this out. come up with a reasonable compromise that keeps our economy growing and gives...
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not understand what exactly the fiscal cliff is. what this may say about the whole cliff situation. that's when we come right back. you better come back and join us once again. y wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. >>> all right. the selloff is intensifying right now. if you're just joining us, keeping tax o
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fiscal cliff? >> the category -- sorry, i missed that maria. >> the group that gets hit hard and the impact to retail is, if we go over the fiscal cliff which seems likely at this point. >> here is where we think you need to be focused on. it is all about innovation on the four walls of the closet. that's where we see bright spots over all. believe it or not, women's apparel has been a fantastic category. we think the people most at risk are those that are frankly not innovative at all. innovation wins out supreme and as long as unemployment stays in tact, he think the consumer will continue to spend. >> the expectation is, if we go over the cliff, employment does take a hit. and we go into recession. so i mean, eric, i guess the question is, can you retrace, you know, the damage that was already done by going over the fiscal cliff? >> i think one of the things to look at here is that, and you have to look at the back side, is that retailers in respect of inventories, are in the best position possi
fiscal cliff? >> the category -- sorry, i missed that maria. >> the group that gets hit hard and the impact to retail is, if we go over the fiscal cliff which seems likely at this point. >> here is where we think you need to be focused on. it is all about innovation on the four walls of the closet. that's where we see bright spots over all. believe it or not, women's apparel has been a fantastic category. we think the people most at risk are those that are frankly not...
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same thing with the fiscal cliff. >> josh brown? >> hey, bill, i read most of your commentary and it seems to me that you tend to be a lot more positive on the prospects for things like emerging market debt. i'll curious if that extends to emerging market stocks as well and in either emerging stocks or debt should we be thinking about high-grade corporate, the bricks, not the bricks, could you give us kind of the road map of where you think best values are overseas? >> sure. i think the developing markets, the emerging market terminology is really a misnomer. many of these economies, talking about brazil, mexico and others, have half the debt that the united states has. they have a very underdeveloped consumer economy and therefore the potential to expand. they have higher reserves in dollar terms than many developed countries. and so developing, emerging, i think investors have to go where the growth is if they are looking for risk assets, whether it be in corporate bonds or in equities. and going to these countries is symptom atti
same thing with the fiscal cliff. >> josh brown? >> hey, bill, i read most of your commentary and it seems to me that you tend to be a lot more positive on the prospects for things like emerging market debt. i'll curious if that extends to emerging market stocks as well and in either emerging stocks or debt should we be thinking about high-grade corporate, the bricks, not the bricks, could you give us kind of the road map of where you think best values are overseas? >> sure. i...
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fiscal cliff deal. meantime, treasury warns the government will hit its legal borrowing limit by monday. it's thursday, december 27th, 2012 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning and welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky continues to have the day off today. our guest host today is bob broska. house speaker john boehner urging the senate to come up with a passable fiscal cliff solution. he's promising to at least consider any bill that the upper chamber produces. senate majority leader harry reid now expected to base any legislation on a bill passed earlier this year to continue tax breaks for households will incomes below $250,000. a senate bill would likely contain an extension of expiring unemployment benefits. and the other big news of the morning, treasury secretary tim geithner unveiling a plan to buy time under the debt ceiling. in a letter to congress, geithner saying that treasury is going to begin taking steps this week to delay h
fiscal cliff deal. meantime, treasury warns the government will hit its legal borrowing limit by monday. it's thursday, december 27th, 2012 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning and welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky continues to have the day off today. our guest host today is bob broska. house speaker john boehner urging the senate to come up with a passable fiscal cliff solution. he's promising...
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this fiscal cliff. three budget standoffs. i mean, this congress has been uniquely atrocious. >> tom? >> the fact is the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts in which they are bulletproof. they only play to one constituency. they are not swing states. they have a choir back home. and that's a huge part of the problem here. there's another reality in this town today. we need a lighter moment here. a lot of folks as i was coming into the office today said they have to get it done by kickoff time tonight. >> that's right. >> it's a good thing nbc moved the kickoff to primetime. it's very important. >> david, i think it's also important to go back to the president's argument, that, you know, you have to be able to say yes to something that's reasonable. conservatives have argued that he's effectively exposed big internal divisions in the republican party that they have yet to work out, which prevents them from getting to a reasonable place of compromise to then move on to fight other battles.
this fiscal cliff. three budget standoffs. i mean, this congress has been uniquely atrocious. >> tom? >> the fact is the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts in which they are bulletproof. they only play to one constituency. they are not swing states. they have a choir back home. and that's a huge part of the problem here. there's another reality in this town today. we need a lighter moment here. a lot of folks as i was coming into the office...
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that's not even part of the fiscal cliff. that's in addition to the fiscal cliff. we're looking at an avalanche of regulations that were drawn up in the first four years of the obama administration, but then conveniently only beginning to be made public after the president's job was secure. his job is secure. now yours may not be, because hundreds of billions of dollars in regulatory costs are hitting the economy. look at what epa and others are doing. >> right. but grover, speaking of magicianship, you appear to be doing that right now. it looks like rates will increase. that technically is not a good thing for you and your pledge. >> it's a very bad thing for the economy, because what they're talking about is some -- allowing the rates to go back up, not just back up. remember, we go back -- the bush tax cuts disappear and you add the obama care tax increases. so they're taking the top rate not to 39.6, but to 43.4 for half of all small business income in the country. and people at high income earners of the united states. add to that the 35% corporate income tax
that's not even part of the fiscal cliff. that's in addition to the fiscal cliff. we're looking at an avalanche of regulations that were drawn up in the first four years of the obama administration, but then conveniently only beginning to be made public after the president's job was secure. his job is secure. now yours may not be, because hundreds of billions of dollars in regulatory costs are hitting the economy. look at what epa and others are doing. >> right. but grover, speaking of...
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we're talking about the fiscal cliff. >> it hasn't got ensigned into law. there's no success yet there. >> boehner should move it tomorrow. he should just do that. >> jonathan? >> listen, the president campaigned on a three to one spending reduction and we're not see anything spending here. democrats controlled two-thirds of the chips. >> joy ann, why is this all about taxes? >> one reelection and the -- it doesn't do that much spending. >> it's been all about taxes. >> all about raising taxes. >> there's this obsession with raising taxes. >> it was to go after school lunches and elderly care, health care for poor kids and increased spending. >> no, no, no, they want entitlement reform, joy ann. why this obsession with cutting old people's medicare? >> it's not an obsession about cutting benefits to the elderly, joy ann. it's about reforming medicare over time so at some point in the future we don't tell an 80-year-old you know what? you're not going get the medicare cha you thought you would have. this is about not hurting the elderly. >> the republican so
we're talking about the fiscal cliff. >> it hasn't got ensigned into law. there's no success yet there. >> boehner should move it tomorrow. he should just do that. >> jonathan? >> listen, the president campaigned on a three to one spending reduction and we're not see anything spending here. democrats controlled two-thirds of the chips. >> joy ann, why is this all about taxes? >> one reelection and the -- it doesn't do that much spending. >> it's been...
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on the fiscal cliff. republicans have been resisting that by announcing the debt ceiling limit will be held on monday, ratchets up the pressure to include the debt ceiling piece in the final package, whatever that may be, but still not clear, carl, there is going to be a final package of any kind. one quick note, we saw the realism. pact in the real world of the debt situation. treasury announcing yesterday it has suspended the sale of state and local government securities, government series securities. so already, they are doing some maneuvering here financially to try to avoid that debtly limit. the treasury secretary says he doesn't know how much wiggle room they are going to have, given that all the fiscal cliff uncertainty is out there. >> eamon, on this idea that the house members get called back with 48 hours' notice. traders are looking for that headline if it happens almost that bleed out there or procedural moment where that is announced, so to speak? >> a good question. i have been in touch wit
on the fiscal cliff. republicans have been resisting that by announcing the debt ceiling limit will be held on monday, ratchets up the pressure to include the debt ceiling piece in the final package, whatever that may be, but still not clear, carl, there is going to be a final package of any kind. one quick note, we saw the realism. pact in the real world of the debt situation. treasury announcing yesterday it has suspended the sale of state and local government securities, government series...
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there's no deal, no new offer on the fiscal cliff crisis. president obama has just told the two senate leaders they should make the deal. the results immediately felt in the financial markets. look where the dow closed down 158 points when it became very clear nothing was happening and now take a look at where the numbers are in the after markets. we would open now down 315 points on the dow if we started trading now. down 315 points. we have much more on this throughout the rest of the program, but the market's very unhappy. we do have some good news to report tonight. looks like at least one cliff has been averted for the time being. the so-called container cliff. the union that represents dock workers and u.s. maritime lines came to an agreement today to extend their current contract for 30 days. this is a big relief now for the retail industry and consumers who were staring at real destruction again for the supply chain. here now is jonathan gold and he's vice president of supply chain and customs policy for the national retail federatio
there's no deal, no new offer on the fiscal cliff crisis. president obama has just told the two senate leaders they should make the deal. the results immediately felt in the financial markets. look where the dow closed down 158 points when it became very clear nothing was happening and now take a look at where the numbers are in the after markets. we would open now down 315 points on the dow if we started trading now. down 315 points. we have much more on this throughout the rest of the...
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we focus so much on the fiscal cliff. if we shut down 14 or 15 of the biggest ports in america, that could do much more harm than any fiscal escarpment. >> it could do much more harm more quickly. the fiscal cliff on january 1st, the economy's not going to collapse. but the shutdown of these ports, you had $200 billion or $300 billion a year coming into this country through these ports. what i think interesting, the last time we saw an east coast longshoreman strike, port shutdown, was in 1977. a decade which i remember where nothing went right. nothing worked. right now, to me, not much is working so it only stands to reason that we get a strike like this at the worst possible time. >> is it even justified? peter, let me quote something from the "new york post" saying the strike is not about jobs, not about safety. essentially, what it is about is protecting big labor's archaic work practices and corrupt waterfront rackets. nerd, in other words, we are being held hostage to something that's not justified. >> that's labor
we focus so much on the fiscal cliff. if we shut down 14 or 15 of the biggest ports in america, that could do much more harm than any fiscal escarpment. >> it could do much more harm more quickly. the fiscal cliff on january 1st, the economy's not going to collapse. but the shutdown of these ports, you had $200 billion or $300 billion a year coming into this country through these ports. what i think interesting, the last time we saw an east coast longshoreman strike, port shutdown, was in...
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you've turn fiscal cliff into a verb meaning do you or do you not fiscal cliff your portfolio. i'm guessing you don't think it's in general a smart idea? >> i think it's difficult to time any event, let alone something like this, particularly when politics is involved. it's quite fashionable to be handicapping what if anything is going to be done, a grand bargain, a downpayment, whatever you want to define it as. at the end of the day the underlying fundamentals of the united states look relatively decent to us. we ultimately think the fiscal cliff will be rendered into a slope and as a consequence one needs to remain equitized because they remain undemanding. in the event you do get some solution, i think they're primed to continue to advance. >> let's pretend for a moment that we don't. we go through the new year. we go through the first week, still nothing, still nothing. there will be a line, mark, won't there where companies start to make cuts in advance of what they pretty much know will be a decline in consumer demand? >> i think you're right, carl. we saw evidence of th
you've turn fiscal cliff into a verb meaning do you or do you not fiscal cliff your portfolio. i'm guessing you don't think it's in general a smart idea? >> i think it's difficult to time any event, let alone something like this, particularly when politics is involved. it's quite fashionable to be handicapping what if anything is going to be done, a grand bargain, a downpayment, whatever you want to define it as. at the end of the day the underlying fundamentals of the united states look...
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still no deal to avert the fiscal cliff.
still no deal to avert the fiscal cliff.
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all about the fiscal cliff. it's all about how the distrust in washington really makes some significant progress tomorrow. we need some movement from the president. we need some progress. so, we'll have our keen eye on that and more importantly, we'll have our keen eye on discussions surrounding the 2% payroll tax cut which has been quite absent. so, hopefully tomorrow we'll see some sort of progress on that front. >> all right, gentlemen, thank you both for, all three for joining us today and we will watch very carefully. tomorrow could be very, very interesting. that does it for us. thank you for watching. >> indeed. "fast money" starting right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square, i'm melissa lee. here are tonight's top three trades. cliff hanger. will we or won't we fall off the edge? only two trading days left to take your positions. block buster returns. his stock is up nearly 90%. michael burns of lionsgate gives us a sneak peak. and technical difficulty. why the chart
all about the fiscal cliff. it's all about how the distrust in washington really makes some significant progress tomorrow. we need some movement from the president. we need some progress. so, we'll have our keen eye on that and more importantly, we'll have our keen eye on discussions surrounding the 2% payroll tax cut which has been quite absent. so, hopefully tomorrow we'll see some sort of progress on that front. >> all right, gentlemen, thank you both for, all three for joining us...
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the looming fiscal cliff. aides for both parties now saying a partial agreement or patch probably the most that we can be expecting before january 1. >> i think we're dealing now with whether or not we can put off the -- the increase in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with now. >> the next session of the senate is now set for tomorrow. the house has nothing on its schedule for this week. members have been told they could be called back within 48 hours' notice. meantime, and this i guess is also the big news, the white house saying the president's going to be flying back from vacation in hawaii today. a lot of people making something of that. i don't know what it means ultimately. >> well, one thing it means -- >> a show of something. >> if i had to get back from hawaii at a minute's notice, you know what it would be. the president will have an easier time of it, i think. right? >> i noticed a couple of news reports saying the cost of the last-minute flight is about $250 -- >> he's the president, he's
the looming fiscal cliff. aides for both parties now saying a partial agreement or patch probably the most that we can be expecting before january 1. >> i think we're dealing now with whether or not we can put off the -- the increase in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with now. >> the next session of the senate is now set for tomorrow. the house has nothing on its schedule for this week. members have been told they could be called back within 48 hours' notice. meantime, and...
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the fiscal cliff is going to impact our business. who knows how much we can spend to increase our business. an expansion may not be possible. the customers are so uncertain how they will spend their money that eating out may be a luxury. it hinders our expansion. this is an american issue. the american people have been on a roller coaster for the past four years. it's time for them to get on stable ground. we believe the m, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. whatever, have helped to contribute to the hopium. here's a big question. does the fha do what it was meant to do, help lower and middle income families achieve their dream of homeownership or does it hurt? fannie mae
the fiscal cliff is going to impact our business. who knows how much we can spend to increase our business. an expansion may not be possible. the customers are so uncertain how they will spend their money that eating out may be a luxury. it hinders our expansion. this is an american issue. the american people have been on a roller coaster for the past four years. it's time for them to get on stable ground. we believe the m, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive...
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how is oil dependent on fiscal cliff deal or no deal? >> well, i think that's the biggest short-term burden that crude oil and most of the commodities have right now. the biggest factor is if no deal is done by year end, the possibility of the u.s. slipping into a recession in the first half, greatly increases significantly. if that does that, you can see crude oil prices back off to that short-term support right around 86. i think overhead we're met with about a 91 resistance. the volume and also the participants in the market are going to be significantly less as a result of these fiscal cliff worries. >> we're going to sort of trend right around here -- it doesn't look like we're going to get a deal before year end of any great significance. that being said, we may get one last year. do we trade in line right here? >> so we're going to trade probably 91 on the upside, 86 on the low side. i think once a deal is done, you're going to see a reemergence of a risk-on rally. i think that's where crude oil breaks out to the upside. we start
how is oil dependent on fiscal cliff deal or no deal? >> well, i think that's the biggest short-term burden that crude oil and most of the commodities have right now. the biggest factor is if no deal is done by year end, the possibility of the u.s. slipping into a recession in the first half, greatly increases significantly. if that does that, you can see crude oil prices back off to that short-term support right around 86. i think overhead we're met with about a 91 resistance. the volume...
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on the markets, pricing in a deal on the fiscal cliff. we will ask chris sheldon chief investment officer at dreyfuss corporation who joins us from boston. don't know if you've been watching, chris, jason, i think thinks that overall the market's a little ahead of itself but there are still pockets of value. how do you view the overall markets this morning? >> not radically different. good morning, gentlemen. hello, jason, how are you? >> how you doing, chris? >> good. good to see you. i think jason's right in the sense that when we have management teams all over the world, literally, and almost every one of these teams assumes that the fiscal cliff will be fixed, the market has rallied in anticipation of that. here we are, once again at the 11th hour, and so in that sense, if we don't get some type of a deal here in the next few days, which the clock is ticking, i think in that regard, the market may be a little bit ahead of itself. >> overall, though, the -- i guess you have to say that the price-to-earnings multiple is pretty low and r
on the markets, pricing in a deal on the fiscal cliff. we will ask chris sheldon chief investment officer at dreyfuss corporation who joins us from boston. don't know if you've been watching, chris, jason, i think thinks that overall the market's a little ahead of itself but there are still pockets of value. how do you view the overall markets this morning? >> not radically different. good morning, gentlemen. hello, jason, how are you? >> how you doing, chris? >> good. good to...